tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1041249677192613494.post2831160924663735569..comments2024-03-18T18:20:00.083-04:00Comments on collage journeys by Jane Davies: Art For FunJane Davieshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06062718110759969682noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1041249677192613494.post-48863592183149995392019-01-15T03:01:06.018-05:002019-01-15T03:01:06.018-05:00scamscamSIDIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04173964072377192121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1041249677192613494.post-40361577981782431412019-01-05T17:06:02.911-05:002019-01-05T17:06:02.911-05:00Access to computers and other control systems whic...Access to computers and other control systems which might provide you with information about the way the world revolves around technology should be unlimited and total. All information should be free and accessible to all. 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Well running your own business isn’t fun. It’s hard work. And so is making art. I do it because if I don’t I am miserable to live with. There are workshops I take “for fun” , usually art journaling workshops where I can let go and be chatty or just let the process do it’s work healing me. In general I do have fun in workshops and classes where I let myself work without too much of the inner critic. It’s nice and fun working with other people. But it’s never just for fun. I do it because if I need to grow and challenge myself. There is a place, I think, for offering workshops that are just for fun, the sort of make and take workshop. But that kind of workshop doesn’t need to be taught by everyone. Now that I am moving into a large atudio space close to home and plan to offer workshops there, I have to think about my clients and their needs when considering what to offer. And make and take will be part of that!Barbara Muthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13948599486081057562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1041249677192613494.post-73259002845800430622018-12-18T08:22:43.420-05:002018-12-18T08:22:43.420-05:00I am in the same situation as Cheryl. I came to ...I am in the same situation as Cheryl. I came to art late in life (in my late 60s). When I say that I do art "for fun," I mean that it is a hobby... I am not creating art to sell it or hang it on someone else's wall. I create because it is fun, it is a de-stressor, it is right brain (as opposed to my whole life being left brain oriented.) However... and this is a big however..... just because I create art for myself only... that does NOT mean that I don't take it "seriously." I want to learn, I want to get better, I want to experiment with new techniques, I want to explore different media and learn something new and different on my own or with an instructor. When I take a workshop (online or in person), I pay attention to everything and I do all of the exercises. That's why I'm there... to learn. So... as Cheryl said.... I do not think there are only 2 options - doing art for fun or doing art seriously. I do art for fun and relaxation and growth with no pressure for the final outcome of a piece to be successful in anyone else's eyes. But that does not mean that I don't take it seriously and strive to learn something from the PROCESS of creating each piece. Fun and seriously are not mutually exclusive. In the future, watch for people like me :-) There are more of us than you think....<br />Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03769691403146209826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1041249677192613494.post-20525366559514164432018-12-09T10:32:18.855-05:002018-12-09T10:32:18.855-05:00Ha! "100 Cheap Drawings" is a good name...Ha! "100 Cheap Drawings" is a good name for the class. I know what you mean, though. EXCELLENT point! As soon as you are making work FOR something, for a show for a client for a gift, whatever, it changes your process. Getting back to that "just for fun" can be a way of getting back to the Joyful Compulsion. Great wording! Thanks for this comment, Jan.Jane Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06062718110759969682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1041249677192613494.post-17589392813578903552018-12-07T14:56:23.936-05:002018-12-07T14:56:23.936-05:00This discussion is so relevant for me as I’ve just...This discussion is so relevant for me as I’ve just had two gallery shows back to back (really my first) at the same time as I was taking your “100 Cheap Drawings” online class. Part of what I noticed as I was creating art for the shows was less spontaneity, more judgment, especially around “What will people like?” instead of my more basic reason for making art, which is a joyful compulsion to take in the world around me in terms of color, shape, form, line, mark and essence, and express that freshly out of my own sense of being. <br />It's taken me a couple weeks to reconnect with that more basic impulse, and I’m glad it’s still part of me!<br />And while there is really so much “work” involved with making art, that too is part of the exploration of broadening my boundaries, challenging myself both artistically and with things like deadlines, commitment, tenacity, and the like. I’m right now appreciating that phrase that popped out above of “joyful compulsion. “ I would love those qualities of joy, wholeheartedness, interested curiosity to come through for people viewing my art, and of course, I can’t make that happen consciously. But in the end I do see art as a sort of transmission between maker and viewer. Maybe “just for fun” could be a way of saying all of this, and sometimes it even goes further to “just for the doing of it”.<br />Jan Hodgmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15017388121085784244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1041249677192613494.post-62842410633330710752018-12-06T12:15:48.713-05:002018-12-06T12:15:48.713-05:00Exactly Exactly Suzannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02948901542908623520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1041249677192613494.post-71962065206923023682018-12-06T06:46:00.681-05:002018-12-06T06:46:00.681-05:00Excellent and nice post. It will beneficial for ev...<br />Excellent and nice post. It will beneficial for everyone. Thanks for sharing such a wonderful post. Avail No 1 Dissertation Help UK from certified PhD writers. It is extremely helpful for me. 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The article is about our seeming inability to relax with our leisure activities, that we make our hobbies into goal-oriented, that we put pressure on ourselves to be good at them. But it DID get me thinking about the role of "fun" and "play" in the serious (AND playful) endeavor of making art. Art requires Play. I think. I'm just hypothesizing and seeing how my attitude - "just for fun" or "making a series" or "investigating what I can do with neutrals and line" - affects my studio practice or my work. Jane Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06062718110759969682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1041249677192613494.post-35000736159374262322018-12-04T21:26:45.168-05:002018-12-04T21:26:45.168-05:00Hi Jane, Tess here. Interesting article, though I...Hi Jane, Tess here. Interesting article, though I think Wu isn't saying that painting is or isn't fun, I think he's saying that we're taking all of our leisure time (of which there is too little) and turning it into a competitive task that we need to accomplish at a high rate of excellence at the expense of enjoying it. The line "Looking back, you will find that the best years of, say, scuba-diving or doing carpentry were those you spent on the learning curve, when there was exaltation in the mere act of doing" may be what the woman who comes to class is intending when she says she wants to paint "just for fun" . She is new to painting and thinks it will be "fun". Not that she is belittling, in any way, your expertise but that for her, it is a hobby - something to picked up here and there - but not with rigor, intensity, or passion. Make sense? You DO make your in-person classes fun...and rigorous...and thought provoking for those of us interested in furthering our understanding of painting. For you and many of your students, it isn't a hobby but something much deeper...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1041249677192613494.post-87569384064052468022018-12-04T19:30:06.287-05:002018-12-04T19:30:06.287-05:00When I take a workshop and say "I'm doing...When I take a workshop and say "I'm doing this just for fun", it's mostly to get my left brain out of the picture. I'm there to learn, explore, experiment and see what happens. I'm not there to create a masterpiece. It helps me stop the self-criticism and stay loose and open. But, I still want to learn whatever techniques are being taught and bring them home to see how they might fit into my art practice. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't... and that's ok!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13839896303070357651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1041249677192613494.post-70854803318567690502018-12-04T15:09:32.459-05:002018-12-04T15:09:32.459-05:00Very intersting thoughts. I can totally see your p...Very intersting thoughts. I can totally see your point. Cathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15381951092567074393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1041249677192613494.post-35024972781829794332018-12-04T08:17:06.930-05:002018-12-04T08:17:06.930-05:00Right. That is where this discussion has led me, t...Right. That is where this discussion has led me, too. Doing it for fun AND "seriously", or doing it seriously AND finding it fun: this seems to be how a lot of us characterize our art practices. No need to choose. Jane Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06062718110759969682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1041249677192613494.post-35568950327745878072018-12-03T17:51:11.341-05:002018-12-03T17:51:11.341-05:00Does doing art for fun or as a hobby have to be th...Does doing art for fun or as a hobby have to be the opposite of doing art seriously? Are those the only two options? I came to art making late in life and I do it because I like the challenge of learning something new. I consider it a hobby because I have no desire to make any profit from art making other than the enjoyment of seeing what I can create. It is not the center of my life, it's not my vocation but an avocation. So I'm not sure if that means I'm doing it for fun or taking it seriously. <br />Cheryl C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04395380131107792739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1041249677192613494.post-32476316089987304562018-12-03T17:44:48.367-05:002018-12-03T17:44:48.367-05:00Hi Nan! Isn't that funny, though, that we do m...Hi Nan! Isn't that funny, though, that we do make a distinction. I don't make this distinction much in my own work because I rarely do things like greeting cards (burned out on that years ago, I think). Sometime I am asked if I approach my "real" art differently than the experimental stuff I demonstrate in classes. Nope. I think your point is insightful, though: we have levels of commitment or involvement, even if making a greeting card and making a painting are both "fun".Jane Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06062718110759969682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1041249677192613494.post-28121120641562969852018-12-03T17:41:27.730-05:002018-12-03T17:41:27.730-05:00I know what you mean! I think that now when people...I know what you mean! I think that now when people talk about painting as if it is "just for fun", or relegate it to the realm of "child's play", it makes me smile. Lucky me! I get to make a living just playing around with paint! Jane Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06062718110759969682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1041249677192613494.post-59742050069392272042018-12-03T17:39:47.714-05:002018-12-03T17:39:47.714-05:00Well, you are a MODEL student, Barbara! You push ...Well, you are a MODEL student, Barbara! You push yourself, you take advantage of all the discussions, you try everything. Your comment "I want others in the class to be serious..." I take to heart. As much as I want to honor each person's reason for taking a class, I do want to foster a sense of learning and challenge, staying focused on the issues and concepts we are exploring. I think in general my workshop descriptions draw people who are really there to learn. But learning / being challenged are not mutually exclusive with fun, as you point out! I guess that is the balance I need to be aware of. I really do strive to get people out of the default judgement mode so that they can SEE what they are doing, and I hope that makes it more fun.Jane Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06062718110759969682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1041249677192613494.post-16644514308626494612018-12-03T17:34:42.343-05:002018-12-03T17:34:42.343-05:00I think art is communication. When I make greeting...I think art is communication. When I make greeting cards I am just having fun--and the communication is simply a "hi, I'm thinking of you, happy birthday." But when I am working on a serious piece, that communication is deeper, more complex. It is hard to put in into words, which is why I'm working with paint and paper instead. I think "intent" defines which we are choosing--just fun or "art," but we can have fun no matter which we choose.<br />Nanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03628939745894807912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1041249677192613494.post-79566524092008576152018-12-03T15:57:32.768-05:002018-12-03T15:57:32.768-05:00I love all the comments above and can relate in a ...I love all the comments above and can relate in a lot of ways. I think this question of yours jumped out at me: "Do I feel that "just for fun" somehow diminishes a practice that I take seriously?" especially from when I worked predominantly with fiber. Crafters often looked at what I did and thought they could do the same themselves. Yet many, many hours of learning and labor went into what I did, and I had my unique method, etc. So what looked like "fun" to them was my art and it did feel like they diminished that with their comments. But now I feel like I wish I could loosen up and be freer with my painting, since that's what drove me to painting in the first place. I'd like to figure out a way to convince my brain (lie to myself?) that I'm making art just for fun! jrberkleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12933497549718695082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1041249677192613494.post-28670329604400419272018-12-03T15:26:06.653-05:002018-12-03T15:26:06.653-05:00Interesting discussion.
I have always had fun in e...Interesting discussion.<br />I have always had fun in every class that I have taken with you. But I take the class to learn, to stretch, to explore, to be challenged, to be pushed, to discover, to further my art practice. I would not want a class that was "just for fun" and I want the others in the class to be "serious" about their art as well. I welcome the feedback from you and the critiques with fellow students.<br />That said, I also know many people who would thrive in a play based class because they are so afraid and they believe that they have no talent. As a teacher it is rewarding to lead these students to discover their creativity.<br />As you wrote, I also NEED to make Art. Others may enjoy simply playing.Barbara W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00028614592470044448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1041249677192613494.post-33222338489470577832018-12-03T13:28:24.729-05:002018-12-03T13:28:24.729-05:00Perhaps the teacher could have a little Q&A no...Perhaps the teacher could have a little Q&A note that she gives out at the beginning of class with that question: Why are you here? A. to have a good time doing something that's familiar. B.to learn new techniques to apply to my art practice. C. just to have fun for this time/day/week. Or a different set of questions: A. Push me B. Let me play C. Critique please. then students could group according to their purpose, or put the appropriate letter A-B or C on their name tag so you'll know when you talk to them. Yeah, I know... I'm too serious, but I've had the same experiences in classes I've taught and know how frustrating it can be when my attitude clashes with a student. After all, they are paying me good money to learn from me and I'm bent on giving them all I can. It's then frustrating when someone goes off on a tangent or two friends chat away while I'm teaching. The teacher HAS to approach her job seriously no matter what each student's purpose is for being there. Teachers need to lighten up a bit and be sure to bring humor into the classroom.Jo Reimerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17381636308808299868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1041249677192613494.post-21601975565449946152018-12-03T11:33:27.263-05:002018-12-03T11:33:27.263-05:00If it's not fun for me, it becomes work and th...If it's not fun for me, it becomes work and then I burn out quickly. My students have various needs and I try to accommodate them all. Some are there to improve their skills or learn a new skill; others to rub shoulders and minds with other artists; others are trying to identify or refind the creative part of themselves; others are "crafters" who want to "make" gifts or things for themselves; still others are lonely and seeking companionship and community; there are those who are self expressing; some are looking for something that helps them relax and is different than their everyday life; and then there are the wounded who are looking for healing. I'm sure there are more reasons. I'm a non-profit seeking to bring art to those who need it for whatever reason and at a reasonable price -- sometimes free.<br />DNkemontohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670253866623718261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1041249677192613494.post-254773355255466602018-12-03T11:12:50.469-05:002018-12-03T11:12:50.469-05:00You have put that SO well! Our standards are so f...You have put that SO well! Our standards are so far ahead of our skills, YES! And especially in pottery, the learning curve is slow. Maybe next time someone says they are in a workshop "to have fun", I will simply ask if they want feedback, instruction, etc., if they want me to push them at all or just let them do their own thing. If someone is not engaging in the exercises I'm giving, then I generally give them less in-depth feedback. But I will pay attention to this and make sure I am still encouraging, and also try to get a better understanding of what they want from a workshop. Thanks.Jane Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06062718110759969682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1041249677192613494.post-22226168541252357522018-12-03T09:05:55.796-05:002018-12-03T09:05:55.796-05:00I think when someone says they are doing your work...I think when someone says they are doing your workshop 'just for fun', what they really mean is that they don't want to be criticized. I give workshops (pottery) and always deal with the fact that, as adults, our standards are often far ahead of our skills. I point out that children don't worry about that, they just go at it, and as adults learning something new we have to try to have that attitude too. You won't succeed (or learn) if you are too worried about 'succeeding'. Also, remember that play is life-practice. So if someone says they are 'just here to have fun', I assume they mean 'to play', and I'm happy about that. 'Playing' makes learning less painful, and encourages you to keep going.Lishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16816600563832631710noreply@blogger.com